{"id":263,"date":"2008-08-03T11:41:27","date_gmt":"2008-08-03T15:41:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/washwords.com\/words\/2008\/fat-girls-and-skinny-bitches\/"},"modified":"2008-08-03T12:12:18","modified_gmt":"2008-08-03T16:12:18","slug":"fat-girls-and-skinny-bitches","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/washwords.com\/words\/2008\/fat-girls-and-skinny-bitches\/","title":{"rendered":"Fat girls and skinny bitches"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Can&#8217;t we all just get along?<br \/>\nAfter spending the morning on blogher, reading about the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogher.com\/blogging-while-female-nyt-salon-blogher\" target=\"_blank\">NYT relegation of the blogher confererence<\/a> to the style section and whether<a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogher.com\/what-do-you-think-term-mommyblogger\"> &#8220;mommy-blogging&#8221;<\/a> is a term of empowerment or a mechanism for belittling, I came to Joy Nash&#8217;s &#8220;A Fat Rant&#8221; on Gena&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/outonthestoop.blogspot.com\/2008\/08\/joy-nash-teach-on-sister.html\" target=\"_blank\">On the Stoop<\/a> (and from there to LaurieStar&#8217;s response, &#8220;A thin rant.&#8221;) This fem-centered morning has me thinking a lot about the way we treat each other, the way we think of &#8220;women&#8217;s issues&#8221; and &#8220;women&#8217;s places,&#8221; be it in the media, the blogosphere or the mall.<\/p>\n<p>YouTube &#8211; A Fat Rant<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-video\"><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"210\" height=\"175\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/yUTJQIBI1oA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x006699&amp;color2=0x54abd6&amp;border=1\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"210\" height=\"175\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/yUTJQIBI1oA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x006699&amp;color2=0x54abd6&amp;border=1\" allowfullscreen=\"true\"><\/embed><\/object><\/div>\n<p>YouTube &#8211; A Thin Rant<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-video\"><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"210\" height=\"175\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/K-6wLuAlMJU&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x006699&amp;color2=0x54abd6&amp;border=1\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"210\" height=\"175\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/K-6wLuAlMJU&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x006699&amp;color2=0x54abd6&amp;border=1\" allowfullscreen=\"true\"><\/embed><\/object><\/div>\n<p>I&#8217;m neither Joy&#8217;s size nor Laurie&#8217;s (though closer to Joy&#8217;s by far!) and I admit being one of the eyerollers at the tiny ones. More because &#8220;it&#8217;s not fair&#8221; &#8211; a big thing with me, I realize. It&#8217;s not fair that skinny girls are  (See more after the jump.)<br \/>\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\"><!--\nscribefire_account_id  = \"73508\";\nscribefire_campaign_id = \"479773\";\nscribefire_width       = \"300\";\nscribefire_height      = \"250\";\n\/\/ --><\/script><br \/>\n<script src=\"http:\/\/static.scribefire.com\/ads.js\" type=\"text\/javascript\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>skinny. Likewise it&#8217;s not fair that women writers are called &#8220;mommybloggers&#8221; whether or not they&#8217;re mommies or not, whether or not they want to be mommies or not. It&#8217;s not fair that someone&#8217;s feelings might be hurt by this presumption.<\/p>\n<p>And it is way definitely absopositively not fair that the NYT awarded a full-legnth magazine feature for cripes sakes to <a href=\"http:\/\/gawker.com\/5010653\/comments-closed-on-emily-goulds-times-piece\" target=\"_blank\">former-Gawker Emily Gould to whine about how she over-exposed herself<\/a>. Not because she&#8217;s a woman or young or a blogger, but because the writing was trite, her whining trivial and the piece reinforced every worst stereotype many of us were trying to fight against. Um in my humble opinion. (What WAS fair: many, many, MANY people agreed with me. The NYT had to close comments people were so enraged over this piece.)<\/p>\n<p>But maybe &#8220;fair&#8221; isn&#8217;t everything. Or rather, maybe the way to change what&#8217;s &#8220;fair&#8221; and what&#8217;s not, is to start reframing the conversation. There was lots of talk on blogher and other places on whether the New York Times deciding a major well-attended highly-endorsed BUSINESS conference (Blogher 08) should have been &#8220;relegated&#8221; to the Style pages. A few wise commenters got me thinking &#8211; why is the style section a place where you&#8217;re relegated, why is the personal\/the emotional a place of lesser importance. The success of blogher, and, sigh, Ms. Gould&#8217;s work in the blogosphere and in the NYT, suggests that maybe what is personal IS important.<\/p>\n<p>Haven&#8217;t women always been the &#8220;target demographic&#8221;? I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s never been true than today. What do you think (whether male or female) about Fairness, Women&#8217;s Issues, and Women&#8217;s coverage? I want to hear from you!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can&#8217;t we all just get along? 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